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30gigs.com just introduced a new email service with–guess how much!–30 gigs of storage. The company also plans a virtual “file locker,” which would give customers the ability to easily store and retrieve files on servers managed by 30gigs.com. Moreover, 30gigs.com isn’t done–their “main goal” is to increase the per account storage allotment to 50-100 gigs (I guess they’ll change their name). And, of course, the service is free. (Disclaimer: I haven’t invested in 30gigs.com.)

By themselves, the products 30gigs.com offers aren’t particularly innovative. Gmail already offers free email with 2.5+ gigs of storage (increasing daily), and there are hacks to turn a Gmail account into a networked hard drive.

That notwithstanding, 30gigs.com is noteworthy for two main reasons. First, it shows that storage is really cheap. Second (and more interesting), thanks to services like 30gigs.com, I believe we’ll soon have a functional thin client/network computer. This is important because thin clients can be extremely useful in the right circumstances. For example, relative to “traditional” thick clients (ie an Intel box with Windows), thin clients tend to be far cheaper and easier to manage.

Larry Ellison, among others, has promoted the “thin client architecture” for years–to little effect. Due to recent market developments and technical innovations, though, the thin client vision may finally be viable. First, many providers now offer high-speed internet coverage, which is needed to transfer the huge quantity of application and user data that thin clients and the servers that power them require (interestingly, Google now plans to offer free high-speed wireless access. You may wonder why an advertising company would want to do that–it actually makes good sense. I’ll offer my theory as to why in a moment). Second, thanks to Ajax and other emerging technologies, there is now a wide variety of fully-functional web applications providing word processing, spreadsheet capabilities, calendars, and more.

Here’s where 30gigs.com comes in. Using the “file locker,” customers now have an online disk drive in which files can be stored. 30 gigs is a lot of storage–enough for most users for a long, long time.

Still, there are a few missing pieces:

  • Though much progress has been made, we need more complete and fully documented APIs. It’s still difficult to use most hosted storage solutions (including, but not limited to, 30gigs.com) with most web-applications; the integration isn’t there. For technically savvy users, this doesn’t pose much of an issue. For the average consumer, though, complex workflow is a deal killer.
  • As the quantity and importance of digital data in our lives continues to increase, we’ll want better tools to authenticate and manage identity and reputation. For example, if you have accounts with multiple online services, do you want to separately provide personal data to each? Or, would you prefer to store sensitive data with a single, trusted company and let them share data with other companies–but only when you permit them to do so? Similarly, if you want to buy a product from a particular vendor, how should you know if the vendor is trustworthy? This is a rich topic, worthy of a separate discussion. If you’re interested in learning more, take a look at Sxip.
  • For services like 30gigs.com to remain solvent, they need sustainable revenue models. Consumer-facing web services companies often rely on ads. Contextual and behavioral targeting solutions could still use improvement (though, to be fair, they are getting better at a rapid pace).

Back to Google: I said I’d comment on why they’re offering free WiFi. My guess is that they’ll soon offer a complete suite of web-based applications comparable to Microsoft Office (this isn’t a novel insight; TechCrunch even hears rumors that Google will release an Ajax-enabled Office suite sometime this year). Increasing broadband penetration is good for Google, as it increases the size of their target market.

I also predict that Google will start charging users directly for premium products. It might make sense for them to offer entry and professional levels of “GOffice.” The free version might have limited functionality and ads, while the fee-based alternative would come packed with complete capabilities and no ads. Of course, this is just speculation on my part.

The biggest winner here is the consumer–we get lots of new choices. One potential loser: Microsoft. Considering that about half of the company’s revenue–and almost all of their net income–come from sales of Windows and Office, they have a lot to worry about. Still, they’ve successfully pulled through tough situations before, so I wouldn’t count them out yet.

Update: 30gigs.com seems to be having service problems. As Om says: “approach with caution.”

Update2 (10/4/05): MailNation is now offering 1000GB email accounts (via Om).

25 Responses to “30gigs.com and the Thin Client Computer”

I felt your last blog on web storage is written espeically for me….

I agree with “a thin client/network” thinking. I think Gmail show people a simply yet connected application is a better subsititute for heavy and isolated window app.

This trend also creates a lot of opportunites for people like me…, at microsoft’s cost.

I hope to talk to you on tuesday….

–Xin Chen
founder of Gbaopan
[Your space @ web]

Dan,

You’re right on target with this post. I’ve been calling this trend “Mobile 2.0″ - sure, it’s far too buzzwordy, but I’ve been trying to convey the idea that the mobile phone will create online storage needs that we haven’t fully realized yet. Some of my musings:

http://mashable.com/2005/09/30/whats-mobile-20/

http://mashable.com/category/mass-online-storage/

If you want to talk more about this, feel free to Skype me - it’s definitely an interesting area!

Most of these email companies that are offering ridiculous amounts of storage are not innovating at all (I think you agree based on your comments above). The real innovation will come when companies figure out how they’re actually going to handle these boxes when people take advantage of the storage offering. Most applications, for example, become incredibly slow and inefficient when mail or other data stacks up. Most providers, maybe even Google included, still need to figure out what they’re going to do once these boxes do stack up, both from a performance and a cost perspective. Right now, in my humble opinion, companies like 30Gigs and MailNation are going to market with large storage offerings simply to get people like you, me, and others to talk and blog about them.

I think that the storage piece is incredibly important for companies like this to figure out if they’re truly going to be able to support the thin client or web-based model in a way where users will actually give up their desktop applications in favor of the web. Its got to be affordable for both the user and the service provider and the experience has got to be great. There is still a lot of innovation ahead in this area, but simply offering the storage doesn’t cut it.

As far as the actual name 30gigs.com goes—yikes. The real future is unlimited and I’m just not sure where a company like this will fit in when that happens.

Speak of the devil!

http://www.mailnation.net/webmail/self.html

here is ahack for the 30 gigs .com
http://collins.openswarm.com/30gigs.html

30gigs owned by alleged scammer Daniel Saltman who also owns MSXSecurity. A little history at
http://msxexposed.blogspot.com/

Kramer auto Pingback[…] Web 2.0, AJAX, web apps, you know the buzzwords. But what’s it all about? Personally, I think all these technologies are part of a bigger movement towards thin clients and mass online storage, with all our apps running on the network. I’ve been calling this trend Mobile 2.0 (yup, another buzzword for ya!), and it looks like Dan Grossman agrees with me. He links the trend to the release of 30gigs, the online storage site that I posted about a few days ago. It’s also interesting to note that the 30gigs site is currently down… 30gigs.com is noteworthy for two main reasons. First, it shows that storage is really cheap. Second (and more interesting), thanks to services like 30gigs.com, I believe we’ll soon have a functional thin client/network computer. This is important because thin clients can be extremely useful in the right circumstances. For example, relative to “traditional” thick clients (ie an Intel box with Windows), thin clients tend to be far cheaper and easier to manage… […]

There are ways and hacks out there for invitations to 30gigs.. but if i were you take a look into daniel (maz) saltman.. he is a money man… he is addicted to it…a big time scammer for real. tried rippin me and a couple of my associates.. he will be very short lived believe me.. before you know it all his various sites will go down… just like him… Its known as KARMA. you have been warned all.

Daniel P. Saltman is a BIG TIME scammer. I use to know him. It shouldn’t be too long before his lack of character does him in and he’s doing time in a federal prison.

Do not subscribe to anything Saltman’s (Maz) name is attached to. The website Msxsecurity.com is blatant rip off.

You pay for forum access to gain access to the software advertised on the main site. During the subscription process you are warnedthat you are buying access to the site not the software and sign a TOS agreement that basically releases him and Msxsecurity LLC from any liability related to the software that is advertised as being purchased on the main site.

The software does not work and you will not get your money back. He has hidden or not disclosed any information about the company so that you cannot pursue him or the company for fraudulent advertisement and lack of refunds.

I invite any and all to make a complaint about him and this company to the BBB and find and post any information relatd to him or the company.

How vain this villainous vampire seems! Vacuuming us of our virginity. Vendetta I pronounce upon the’! For vurtue is far more valuable than victums. The very thought of this vulnerability leaves me vitrioled. I am viably contemplating voracious volunteer-work to rid us of this Vice Admiral of the Narrow Seas. Vote for violence, vehicular homicide, or Venus’s Curse. Victory!

Actually, scammer or not, MSXsecurity provides a very real and working game cheating service. I know because I’m a subscriber and yes, I choose to pay someone to provide me for a hack to a game to enhance my own enjoyment of it.

Frankly, if you can’t get that specific piece of software to work then you’re either thick or don’t read the forums or instructions properly.

Rock on MSX…

MSX FKN OWNS ALL!!!
MAZ OWNS ALL NUBS
msx is the real shit, all hacks work, no rip off
maz is quite a money maker owning maybe 50 websites and hes good at what he does

SO MAZ FUCKING PWNS

actually www.msxsecurity deserves to be shut down and the owner prosecuted alltogether

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I am pissed at 30gigs because all my mail has been erased! I checked my mail box yesterday and there was over 400 mails in one account and over 200 mails in the other account. And this morning when I checked my mailbox, it was all gone with only 6 mails in one account and 4 mails in the other account. Basically, all the mails I had received yesterday and earlier are all gone without any warning or notice.
Second, if you are typing a really long message to a friend using 30gigs.com, when you press send, your mail will not be sent. Instead, you are sent back to the login page because the session has timed out. So after you log in, then you realize that not only have you lost your really long message but it hasn’t been sent either! This has been very frustrating.
Third, there is no meter to tell you how much space you have left.
Fourth, there is no customer service or someone you can contact via email to tell them of your problems!
The only reason why I had used 30gigs.com was to store mail. Now that I have lost all my mail, I don’t think I will continue to use such an unreliable mailing system.

nice site

MAZ (AKA: Damiel Saltman) is a complete joke. He is ripping people odd left and right. Don’t believe me then read this site. It has all the Dirt on Mr. Saltman and his MSX Security Website

www.msxsecuritysucks.com

MAZ (AKA: Daniel Saltman) is a complete joke. He is ripping people odd left and right. Don’t believe me then read this site. It has all the Dirt on Mr. Saltman and his MSX Security Website

www.msxsecuritysucks.com

why so much trouble when you want to log in - so many times the server is down - appreciate that it’s free email BUT it’s not consistent like Gmail or Hotmail

MSX is the Biggest rip off ever. Kthx Bye

MSxwebsite ww.msxsecurity.com is down now thats for sure .
so maybe it is a scam .
we wil here en see soon.

shit, the 10th november i paid 95 bucks for a suscrption for 1 year, y hope the site ne up soon

The 30gigs.com site is GONE…OMG, ALL of my emails, Graphics, ect, that I stored there is GONE FOREVER!
Why didn’t someone tell those of us stupid enough to trust a site like that?
Why isn’t there anything on the web about it?
Why is this posted: ‘30Gigs.com Out of service. You might Try ZillR’?
How can the creator of that site hurt people this way and try and draw them to yet another site to trust and get ripped off from?
(It took me 2 days to locate this site for ANY info on 30gigs.com.)

May that person who owned it get his KARMA back TEN FOLD!

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